You should enjoy the following esoteric points that are known to almost
no one.  They are virtually unknown due to misrepresentations spread
by wikipedia/wakipedia, the anonymous bulletin board masquerading as an
encyclopedia (It is odd that people cite wikipedia, in that for it to be
cited "intelligently"(?) one would have to include the date and exact time
cited in that wakipedia changes by the milisecond, and is often changed
deliberately to contradict the very reason someone cited it. By citing the
date and exact time it might be possible for a reader to view the history of
changes and find the actual article cited as it existed at that point in
time).

The top esoteric point to be made here is a rebuttal of the bonehead who posted
on wakipedia that the Jacques Louis-David painting "Oath of the Horatii" is
the origin of the stiff-armed salute.  Lots of people repeat that mindlessly because they
see it on wakipedia.

The bonehead who originally posted the horatii lie did it in an effort to
cover-up discoveries by the noted symbologist Dr. Rex Curry concerning the pledge of allegiance as the origin of the stiff-armed salute. It is interesting to note that the wakipedia comment
about the horatii claim never explains that the pledge use of the gesture did not come from the horatii painting, rather the pledge’s use came from the military salute extended
out toward the flag. That and other points are examples of the
deliberateness of misrepresentation in the wakipedia posts, intended to mislead people into
believing that Francis Bellamy (author of the Pledge of Allegiance) was
inspired by the David painting, when there is no evidence at all of that,
just the opposite.

Wikipedia liars also never mention that government schools required
the salute and Bellamy's chanting by law daily for three decades (and
persecuted anyone who refused) before German National Socialists did the
same, because they want everyone to believe it was simply the Horatii
painting that inspired German socialsists, and there was no impact from the USA's
government schools that required the salute and Bellamy's chanting by law
daily for three decades (and persecuted anyone who refused). To the liars,
the Bellamy/pledge activity was of no import and is meaningless, whereas the
horatii painting explains everything, even though no one (e.g. Hitler,
Bellamy, David) mentions it at all in regard to any "roman salute gesture."

Even David never used the term "Roman salute" as the concept of a "Roman
salute" did not even exist during David's life (check the etymology of the
term "Roman salute" -a check that is glaringly never referenced by wakipedia
nor by anyone who repeats the Horatii myth. There is more in a link below).
The Roman myth came from the Pledge of Allegiance.

Francis Bellamy never used the term "Roman salute" as the term did not
exist at the time he wrote the pledge, and he did not reference David,
and he specifically explained how the salute developed: the pledge
began with a military salute that was then extended out toward the
flag. Bellamy did not even intend for the palm do be down, but in practice
it became palm down due to the disinterest of children forced to
perform the robotic daily chanting (they merely extended the military
salute out toward the flag, without turning the palm up). It had nothing to
do with any "Roman salute" myth, because the myth did not exist at the time
that Bellamy wrote the pledge and for some time thereafter.  The "Roman
salute" myth came from the Pledge of Allegiance, not vice versa. There is
more on that in one or more of the links below.

Essentially, the Horatii myth exists because liars on wakipedia used to
claim that the salute actually was an ancient roman salute (and lots of
people repeated that myth and still do because they haven't been updated on
the newer Horatii myth), and when it became embarrassingly obvious that they
could not support that myth any longer, and they could not dispute Dr. Curry’s discoveries about Francis Bellamy's military salute extended toward the flag, they deliberately looked for
another explanation, one of them saw the Horatii painting, saw people with
their arms extended outward in the painting, and they substituted that, in
an effort to pre-date Bellamy (and "substitute" is an accurate word because
they did the same thing when they claimed that the stiff-armed salute actually was an
ancient Roman salute: they would pick out any artistic representation from
ancient Rome that showed any person with his arm in the air, and they would
declare that to be the "Roman salute" (they have done the same now with the
Horatii painting)).

Anyway, now you know some things that are essentially not known to almost
anyone else on the planet.

Here is an article recently sent to another boob who repeated the Horatii
myth because of wakipedia (it repeats some of the points above).

This is posted to correct errors in the January 18, 2008 article
"Questions Answered: Roman salutes..."

The USA's Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the salute adopted
later by the National Socialist German Workers Party.

Wikipedia (Wakipedia) has spread the lie that the gesture came from
the Jacques Louis-David painting Oath of the Horatii. That myth
originated on wakipedia in an effort to cover-up the discoveries of
the noted symbologist Dr. Rex Curry. Even David never used the term
"Roman salute" as the concept of a "Roman salute" did not even exist
during David's life (check the etymology of the term "Roman salute" -a
check that is glaringly never referenced by wakipedia
nor by anyone who repeats the Horatii myth). The Roman myth came from
the Pledge of Allegiance.

Francis Bellamy never used the term "Roman salute" as the term did not
exist at the time he wrote the pledge, and he did not reference David,
and he specifically explained how the salute developed: the pledge
began with a military salute that was then extended out toward the
flag. Bellamy did not even intend for the palm do be down, but in practice
it became palm down due to the disinterest of children forced to
perform the robotic daily chanting (they merely extended the military
salute out toward the flag, without turning the palm up).

The Pledge of Allegiance was the origin of the Nazi salute (and the
swastika -although an ancient symbol- was used to represent crossed
S-shapes for "socialism" under the National Socialist German Workers
Party).

Francis Bellamy (cousin of author Edward Bellamy) was a socialist in
the Nationalism movement and authored the Pledge of Allegiance
(1892), the origin of the stiff-armed salute adopted much later by the
National Socialist German Workers Party. See the work of the
symbologist Dr. Rex Curry.
http://rexcurry.net/pledge2.html

The early pledge began with a military salute that was then extended
out toward the flag. In practice, the second gesture was performed
palm-down with a stiff-arm when the military salute was merely pointed
out at the flag. Thus, the military salute led to the Nazi salute in
the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag of the United States.
http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html

It was not an ancient Roman salute. That is a myth debunked by Dr.
Curry, who showed that the myth came from the Pledge.
http://rexcurry.net/roman-salute-oxford-english-dictionary.html

Another explanation for the "Roman salute" myth is here
http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter1a1f.html

American national socialists (including Edward Bellamy), in
cooperation with Madame Blavatsky and the Theosophical Society,
popularized the use of the Swastika (an ancient symbol) as a modern symbol
for
socialism long before the symbol was adopted by the National
Socialist German Workers Party (Nazis) and used on its flag.
http://rexcurry.net/book1a1contents-swastika.html

See also
http://rexcurry.net/45th-infantry-division-swastika-sooner-soldiers.html

The Bellamys influenced the National Socialist German Workers Party
and its dogma, rituals and symbols (e.g. robotic collective chanting
to flags; and the modern use of the swastika as crossed S-letters for
"Socialism" under German National Socialism). Similar alphabetical
symbolism was used under the NSDAP for the "SS" division, the "SA,"
the "NSV," et cetera and similar symbolism is visible today as the
VW logo (the letters "V" and "W" joined for "Volkswagen").
http://rexcurry.net/bookchapter4a1a2a1.html

The Bellamys wanted the government to take over all food, clothing,
shelter, goods and services and create an "industrial army" to impose
their "military socialism." See the video documentary at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BssWWZ3XEe4

It is the same dogma that led to the socialist Wholecaust (of which
the Holocaust was a part): ~60 million killed under the former Union
of Soviet Socialist Republics; ~50 million under the Peoples' Republic of
China; ~20 million under the National Socialist German Workers'
Party.
http://rexcurry.net/socialists.html

Today, the flag symbolizes authoritarianism in the USA. The historical
facts above explain the enormous size and scope of government today,
and the USA's police state, and why it is growing so rapidly.  They
are reasons for minarchy: massive reductions in government, taxation,
spending and socialism.


Francis Bellamy never used the term "Roman salute" when describing his pledge's salute and he was not influenced by Jacques-Louis David's painting "Oath of the Horatii." One reason why Francis Bellamy never used the term "Roman salute" in any way is because the concept of the "Roman salute" did not exist when Bellamy wrote his pledge and for decades thereafter. Francis Bellamy clearly explained that his pledge began with a military salute that was then extended out toward the flag. Bellamy did not intend for the palm to be down, however in practice, the palm was down with a stiff-arm when the military salute was merely pointed out at the flag by disinterested children forced to do Bellamy's robotic chanting daily in government schools. That is how the "Roman salute" myth developed from Francis Bellamy's Pledge of Allegiance and its use of the military salute (and how the USA's Pledge salute led to the Nazi salute). http://rexcurry.net/pledge_military.html

That the concept of the "Roman salute" did not exist when Bellamy wrote his pledge (and for decades thereafter) also means that the concept of the "Roman salute" did not exist when Jacques-Louis David lived and painted "Oath of the Horatii" and thus David was NOT thinking of a real or imagined "Roman salute" when he painted the Horatii, nor did David ever use the term "Roman salute." The Horatii lie (that the painting was the origin of the "Roman salute" myth) first appeared on Wikipedia, deliberately fabricated by a liar to cover-up Dr. Curry's discovery that the Pledge was the origin of the Nazi salute. In the painting, 3 brothers are reaching for weapons (and the two figures in back are reaching with their left hands). The same liar who created the Horatii lie had, until he was debunked, previously claimed that the stiff-armed salute was an actual ancient Roman salute, and he posted the lie that Roman statues displaying "adlocutio" (a gesture made by a person speaking) showed the "ancient Roman salute" that he claimed was adopted by Bellamy.  The newly substituted Horatii lie has been mindlessly repeated by many people (as the adlocutio lie was repeated and still is) because wakipedia glorifies itself as an encyclopedia, even though it is merely an anonymous bulletin board where anyone can post anything.http://rexcurry.net/roman-salute-oxford-english-dictionary.html

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I work for the "Stop The Pledge" foundation, a non-profit group dedicated to freeing Americans from the Pledge of Allegiance and its putrid past of robotic nazi-style brainwashing. Americans are ignorant about their Pledge of Allegiance. Please see the work of the historian Dr. Rex Curry cited in the book "Libertarian History" by the author Lin Xun. It includes these shockers: (1) that the "Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag" was the origin of the Nazi salute and Nazi behavior; (2) that the military salute was the origin of the Nazi salute (via the military salute's use in the original Pledge of Allegiance) and; (3) Swastikas represented crossed "S" letter shapes for "socialist" under Hitler. At amazon https://www.amazon.com/dp/153544326X At kindle https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J0FV8AQ The National Socialist German Workers Party was influenced by American National Socialists, including Francis Bellamy (author of the Pledge) and his cousin and cohort Edward Bellamy (the author of American books on National Socialism). Remove the Pledge from the flag. Remove the flag from schools. Remove schools from government.